Origins of CoViD 19

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@RhystaRose, I've found the WHO segment on the origins of CoViD. I'm not sure how you got what you were saying out of it.

The interviewer asked the expert if it was developed in a lab, and he said that it was an important question to ask, and explained why the answer was "we're pretty sure no, and here's why".

I would love to see the source you were talking about.
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I was just reading a headline. Basically, there were headlines from Feb. 9 saying that they were dismissing the hypothesis outright, and then more headlines like this one where they backed off and said they weren't ruling anything out. At no point does anyone suggest it's likely.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... eak-theory

I get the feeling that you think I think it originated in a lab. I don't. I just think it's interesting (and fun) to speculate.
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Also, here's the article discussing the theory in depth.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article ... heory.html

Again, I'm not endorsing the theory. But I find it difficult to dismiss it outright. I don't believe in absolute certainty about anything.
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It's a perfectly reasonable question to ask. But there's a big leap from that to believing it.

There are a NUMBER of points which the author just ignores -

1) Sure, there are labs where viruses are experimented on, and mutations will occur. HOWEVER - there is MUCH more viral evolution in the wild, because there are more viruses in the wild. As has been noted again and again, if someone were trying to make a pathogenic virus in 2018 or 2019, they would have come up with something which didn't look like SARS-CoV2. If it's not a deliberate engineering job, but a random mutation, we KNOW that there are many many times more mutations happening in the wild.

2) Sure, the first superspreader event happened in December 2019 in Wuhan. That's no reason to think that it originated in Wuhan in 2019. Even back in February, I was hearing that there were anecdotes of possible occurrences in November in Italy.

Is it possible? Sure. Do experts think it's likely? Not a bit of it. There's nothing that points in that direction beyond the fact that, if ANYONE was writing it as a story there would have been some human agency involved in the chain. Some bit of hubris which kicked the whole thing off. That makes a much more satisfying tale.

Because of that, I'm going to be really skeptical of the 'it must have come from a lab' argument.
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I heard that China isn't the most cooperative with the WHO investigators.
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Dracula wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 12:28 pm
I heard that China isn't the most cooperative with the WHO investigators.
That's true, but it doesn't change either the facts or the logic.
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CrazyCraftLady wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 1:24 pm
Dracula wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 12:28 pm
I heard that China isn't the most cooperative with the WHO investigators.
That's true, but it doesn't change either the facts or the logic.
I'm not disputing either, as I'm not a Trumpian who simultaneously wants to blame China all while engaging in denialism. Right-wingers should be taking the virus seriously, but that would mean turning on daddy Trump.

China isn't benevolent, but Trump is still a moron.
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